Oh the irony, Lansing is the capital of Michigan, run by what? Oh that's right, a DEMOCRATIC canadian wench for a governor who has tried (and mainly succeeded) in running the state into the ground.

Biden, stick to states run by Republicans to make your stupid blanket statements-- it'll serve your pathetic attempts at flamebaiting much better...

^ Ugggh.

How does a corrupt Lansing pol make Biden's statement untrue?

And sorry but "John McCain's economic policies are a disaster" does not qualify as a blanket statement. It's pretty much straightforward, direct, and honest. Which can't be said about your comments.

Your very right Volumptuous...

But much as "BilOreilly" seems to be doing... when you have nothing... You have to shout at the rain... and call people names... The Republicans are basically realizing that mentality and running with it...

"Canadian Wench" very classy...

The poor state of the American economy is a given.
- Massive banks failing,
- Huge numbers of homes foreclosing - NATIONWIDE.
- The Stock exchange in free fall.
- So many trillions of overseas debt with countries like China, they basically own America.
- Not to mention the massive new cost from Hurricane Ike and the raising price of oil again due to the closed pipelines.

BillOReilly - to distract the conversation with a completely irrelevant comment about Michigan being run by a democrat? To try to divert the topic as my state vs. your state?

Shame on you. Thats an insult to the people who are truely suffering across america.
Rebulicans go on and on about patriotism and loving their country...
But don't give a damn about their countrymen, just their own pockets and politics.

>> ^Raverman:
The poor state of the American economy is a given.
- Massive banks failing,
- Huge numbers of homes foreclosing - NATIONWIDE.
- The Stock exchange in free fall.
- So many trillions of overseas debt with countries like China, they basically own America.
- Not to mention the massive new cost from Hurricane Ike and the raising price of oil again due to the closed pipelines.
BillOReilly - to distract the conversation with a completely irrelevant comment about Michigan being run by a democrat? To try to divert the topic as my state vs. your state?
Shame on you. Thats an insult to the people who are truely suffering across america.
Rebulicans go on and on about patriotism and loving their country...
But don't give a damn about their countrymen, just their own pockets and politics.


Massive banks failing are due to corporate greed. Foreclosing homes are due to morons living beyond their means with variable-rate loans, which are now catching up with them. Hurricane Ike is a natural disaster. None of these issues are the fault of "Republicans who don't care about their countrymen."

And liberals care more about their fellow man than conservatives, I'm sure.

You're right, Bill. It's the Democratic governor's fault. Nothing to do with American car sales and the nation's economy....

Greed, Morons, and natural disaster.

None of this disputes that the economy is in bad shape not good.

Nor does does it justify that Lansing, Michigan and Democractic States versus Republican has anything to do with the fact that - the US Economy is in bad shape.

His statement was about John McCain's economic policies. And who helped shape them?

Phill fucking Gramm.

And who is one of the biggest culprits in our almost-collapse of the economy, which we've seen go into hyperspeed today?

Phill fucking Gramm.



What this has to do with Ike, Lansing or "liberals" I'll never understand. SO please BillO, give us all a break.

What are the "fundamentals" of the economy that McCain is referring to? I've seen him list some of the things quoted here (foreclosures, bank failures, etc) just before saying "but I think the fundamentals of the economy are strong".

Of course, saying the "fundamentals" are strong is a bit different from saying the "economy" is strong. Does anyone know what he is referring to? Some people seem to be turning this statement around to make McCain look like he's saying the economy is perfectly healthy (which I don't think he's saying), but at the same time I haven't found a video of him listing the parts that are strong.

>> ^BillOreilly:
>> ^Raverman:
The poor state of the American economy is a given.
- Massive banks failing,
- Huge numbers of homes foreclosing - NATIONWIDE.
- The Stock exchange in free fall.
- So many trillions of overseas debt with countries like China, they basically own America.
- Not to mention the massive new cost from Hurricane Ike and the raising price of oil again due to the closed pipelines.
BillOReilly - to distract the conversation with a completely irrelevant comment about Michigan being run by a democrat? To try to divert the topic as my state vs. your state?
Shame on you. Thats an insult to the people who are truely suffering across america.
Rebulicans go on and on about patriotism and loving their country...
But don't give a damn about their countrymen, just their own pockets and politics.

Massive banks failing are due to corporate greed. Foreclosing homes are due to morons living beyond their means with variable-rate loans, which are now catching up with them. Hurricane Ike is a natural disaster. None of these issues are the fault of "Republicans who don't care about their countrymen."
And liberals care more about their fellow man than conservatives, I'm sure.


BillO, you may be right about why those things are failing, but as a result of their failures and the impact that will have and more importantly, the cause of those failures, for McCain to suggest that the fundamentals are strong, really does suggest he's out of touch with reailty.

Analysts can be nobs for their fortune telling, but they and economists like to talk up the market to keep mum and dad thinking that investing in the stock market is a good thing. I don't think you'd find one of them suggesting that the fundamentals of the US economy are strong...

Biden is an absolute disaster, in other words, a real joy for the right. Whether he's asking a man in a wheelchair to stand up or admitting Hillary was a better choice for VP, the man is just outstanding!

>> ^BillOreilly:
Oh the irony, Lansing is the capital of Michigan, run by what? Oh that's right, a DEMOCRATIC canadian wench for a governor who has tried (and mainly succeeded) in running the state into the ground.

Sure, Bill, and she was also responsible for Enron, Worldcom, Tyco, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brother...oh, wait, she wasn't.

And those banks that gave out all of those bad loans, they're all owned and run by a bunch of liberal Democrats, too, I guess.

Oh! And the Democrat in Lansing is responsible for sending our troops to Iraq at the cost of half a trillion dollars (and counting), and she's in cahoots with other liberals like KBR and Haliburton and Blackwater who have a history of overcharging for their services, too.

Yeah, it's all her fault.

biden could probably also walk to lansing without running into a single person with an understanding of why our economy isn't doing well--even if he stopped to look in the mirror.

Yes... it's clearly the people of Michigans fault... maybe if we hurry we can pawn them off on Canada without them knowning, and we'll be free and clear!...

All those laid off autoworkers and there horrible economic policies have been dragging this country down for to long I say!...

>> ^quantumushroom:
Whether he's asking a man in a wheelchair to stand up...



And your hero John McSame once shoved a woman in a wheelchair.

So let's see, Biden makes a mistake. McSame is purposefully vile and disgusting. Wow, some "hero" you have there QM.

And your hero John McSame once shoved a woman in a wheelchair.

ALLEGEDLY.

Why is McCain's "temper" an issue? I like a guy who expresses his anger. America's savage enemies fear wrath, not timeouts from the Department of Peace. The world's dictators and other sh;ts fear McCain. They should.

Obama quit smoking to please others and improve his image. A man who would compromise his own enjoyment of smoking to placate nanny-state assholes has no business leading a Boy Scout troop, much less the nation.

>> ^quantumushroom:
Why is McCain's "temper" an issue?

Because letting emotion override rational thought is generally a bad thing?

Is it just me, or does Sarah Palin know more about economics than Obama, Biden, McCain, and most people posting here?

from issues2000.org:
Firm believer in free market capitalism. (Nov 2006)
Encourage small business growth by reducing business taxes. (Nov 2006)
Health care must be market-and business-driven. (Jan 2008)
Doctors should manage health care, not bureaucracies. (Jan 2008)
More affordable health care via competition. (Nov 2006)
Home-based assistance more cost-effective than institutions. (Nov 2006)
Eliminate taxes that inhibit business. (Jan 2008)
No income tax; no taking the people's dividends. (Oct 2006)

I will praise jesus on sundays if she gives me a free-market. I think her sheltered, backwards, small-minded values have kept her in a vacuum, safe from the perverse notion of equality of outcome which has infected contemporary American philosophy.

>> ^imstellar28:
Is it just me, or does Sarah Palin know more about economics than Obama, Biden, McCain, and most people posting here?



It's just you.

>> ^quantumushroom: I like a guy who expresses his anger. America's savage enemies fear wrath, not timeouts from the Department of Peace.


You're right.

Whenever we're in over our heads in a situation, its best to violently lash out at everything around, to ensure equal destruction. The only way out of any situation you don't understand is to just nuke the whole place, and let the historians deicde.

You have just perfected our foreign policy and should be considered a genius henceforth!

>> ^volumptuous:
>> ^imstellar28:
Is it just me, or does Sarah Palin know more about economics than Obama, Biden, McCain, and most people posting here?


It's just you.


dubious

I truly wish it was just you... I fear it isn't... I certainly don't think she does... but i'm sure there are plenty of people out there that are certainly willing to accept that because she can shoot... she can turn the economy around... It makes perfect sense when you think about it...

Oh lord... sometimes i want to pray for a comet...

^pray for invasive cancer

ron paul/palin 08!

As a Michiganian, I can say that most people dislike the state government, although its inability to do anything arises more from conflict in Congress than with the Governor.

>> ^quantumushroom:
Why is McCain's "temper" an issue? I like a guy who expresses his anger.


lets not forget he also called his wife a cunt and a trollop publicly as well.

as for liking a guy that expresses anger.. I cannot see any possible rational in such a statement. America needs CONSTRUCTIVE IMPROVEMENTS. Not anger or expressing it. Logic & reason > emotion. Fact of life.

Oh yeah, and
"A man who would compromise his own enjoyment of smoking to placate nanny-state assholes has no business leading a Boy Scout troop, much less the nation."

A man that is willing to put aside personal satisfaction in order to be a better candidate is much more preferable than a man that changes things to better suit his own personal needs.

guess you like your candidates angry and selfish. I prefer logical and selfless but thats just me.

>> ^Fjnbk:
As a Michiganian


psssst: we're called Michiganders. (quack quack)

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