Comments for "VP Debates Webcast live on the New York Times" Talk at VideoSift.com

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:07:13 -0700

It's amazing to me that she is complaining about the state of the economy considering her party was in charge.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:09:03 -0700

"Team of Mavericks" ... puleeeze.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:13:02 -0700

Interesting tactic that Biden is taking the attack to McCain and not engaging with Palin at all.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:15:30 -0700

Her tactic seems to be "I'm not going to answer your questions, I'm talking straight to the American people".

By gorillaman

gorillaman (http://election08.videosift.com/member/gorillaman) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:16:00 -0700

Has to. A lot of retards will see him as a bully if he gives her the kicking she deserves. I'm still expecting her to break down in tears half way through.

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:18:32 -0700

Whats with CNN with that Men and Women + - ticker. What happened to Reps vs Dems thing?

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:19:19 -0700

New York Times one is nice and clean, and goes full-screen

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:19:43 -0700

Ohh!! Healthcare taken over by the Federal government! FUCKING COMMUNISM IN AMERICA! MY GOD VOTE MCCAIN NOW.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:22:38 -0700

Redistribution of wealth comrade. Where's my little red book?

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:23:45 -0700

All Presidential debates need Quake Announcers.

BIDEN DOMINATING!

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:24:02 -0700

I know this is tasteless but Palin is wearing old lady panties. I'm sorry, these are the sorts of things I notice.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:26:51 -0700

Sorry, I didn't see your thread when I made mine with the feed I'm watching.

I'm obviously biased, but Biden is going great guns in my view

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:27:40 -0700

you should crosspost this to the front of sift talk, it's why I didn't see it...

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:27:44 -0700

Biden is completely dominating this so far for me, he is simply a far better debater then Palin who looks totally scared.

Biden smirks in the cut aways I see, like a bear thinking about all the various ways he can effectively maim a bunny.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:27:53 -0700

I have to admit that she's not doing as poorly, (so far) as I expected. Much better than the Couric interviews. Debate camp must work.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:29:54 -0700

>> ^spoco2:
you should crosspost this to the front of sift talk, it's why I didn't see it...

OK.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:31:47 -0700

>> ^dag:
I have to admit that she's not doing as poorly, (so far) as I expected. Much better than the Couric interviews. Debate camp must work.

Except that she's just veering things back onto her pre-learned scripts... but the problem is the most people won't notice that she's just doing that.

And lying through her teeth on a number of points.

Urgh

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:32:10 -0700

Wall Street is the easy scapegoat. No one will blame the government for falsely propping up the housing market in order to keep the costs competitive. The marketplace isn't a place for government.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:32:25 -0700

She's not babbling enough. I wonder if they gave her some Ritalin™

By jonny

jonny (http://election08.videosift.com/member/jonny) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:32:50 -0700

>> ^Farhad2000:
All Presidential debates need Quake Announcers.

BIDEN DOMINATING!

lmao! HEAD SHOT!!

oops - upvoted the wrong comment. That one's pretty good too, though.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:34:32 -0700

There are no facts that say global warming is caused by man. Shut it, Biden! Our carbon footprint is small. Very small. Coal creates soot based pollution, Biden, which means when it cools in the atmosphere it drops from the atmosphere. There, I said it.

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:34:36 -0700

She looks like she doesn't understand or believe alot of what she is saying. She is all over. Shaky.

I can't wait until they get into Foreign policy.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:34:43 -0700

Ahh, don't talk about 'clean coal'... it's a myth... sequestration is just rubbish... *sigh*.

Better than looking for more oil, I grant you, but nooo, not 'clean coal'

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:35:21 -0700

"drill, baby drill". [retch]

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:39:42 -0700

Government shouldn't be involved in marriage. Period.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:40:27 -0700

^agreed. I want to be able to marry my toaster.

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:41:41 -0700

What the fuck?

Did war in Iraq start in 2007?

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:42:11 -0700

>> ^blankfist:
Government shouldn't be involved in marriage. Period.

But what they're talking about is the benefits given to long term couples. You MUST give the same benefits to those couples of either sex that are together in a committed relationship.

If religion wants to take the word 'marriage' and not let others have it ok... but don't suggest that the government shouldn't guarantee the rights of couples for welfare, rights, etc.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:42:29 -0700

>> ^dag:
^agreed. I want to be able to marry my toaster.

And you should have a right to that if that's what you're into.

By mauz15

mauz15 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/mauz15) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:44:18 -0700

"you (insert red herring fallacy here) and I respect you for that."

Ugh

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:44:29 -0700

>> ^spoco2:
>> ^blankfist:
Government shouldn't be involved in marriage. Period.

But what they're talking about is the benefits given to long term couples. You MUST give the same benefits to those couples of either sex that are together in a committed relationship.

If religion wants to take the word 'marriage' and not let others have it ok... but don't suggest that the government shouldn't guarantee the rights of couples for welfare, rights, etc.

I agree. And those benefits should be nothing if marriage is the criteria to qualify for them.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:44:44 -0700

WTF she's getting some digs in. They need to get off who voted for what.

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:46:11 -0700

Biden is slaying her feeble points. Look how he broadens the discussion, she boxes it.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:46:24 -0700

Biden lays Palin 2008!

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:47:34 -0700

She called him Obiden...

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:47:54 -0700

NU CLEAR not NEW KILEAR

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:48:04 -0700

UGH! There you have it! McCain/Palin will stay in Iraq and eventually will attack Iran. Obama/Biden will put us in a war between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Goddamn them and their war mongering.

By mauz15

mauz15 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/mauz15) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:48:04 -0700

why "Nucular" again why?

By schmawy

schmawy (http://schmawy.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:48:09 -0700

Oh my god she said "nookyular". That cinches it. Bush II, affected boogaloo.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:48:28 -0700

Obiden .. haaha. Here we go with the Israel Stinking corpse thing.

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:50:14 -0700

Having your friends and allies ready to back "ye" up there.

By jonny

jonny (http://election08.videosift.com/member/jonny) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:50:30 -0700

-1 to Biden for not attacking the "Surge is/was a success." The whole point of the surge was to allow a dozen or so political agreements and compromises to be made, most of which have still not been made. Even in terms of its tactical success, it was only partial - people are still getting blown up on a daily basis.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:50:38 -0700

They hate our freedom. Sigh. Think about that. Why would someone hate us because of our freedom. That's a ridiculous statement. What shallow people they would be to hate someone over that. They'd probably also hate breathing oxygen.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:52:34 -0700

I had to hang out the washing, what I miss?

oooh, looks like the war... bugger

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:53:13 -0700

Fucking America and Israel. Get a fucking room already.

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:53:19 -0700

What the fuck is this with a second holocaust.

Do you think that the Jewish people are going to let that happen? Why Do we have to help, I think they are capable of defending themselves very well.

They have good martial arts Krav maga.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:54:45 -0700

Israel's negotiation will most likely be air strikes.

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:55:28 -0700

Seriously.

What the fuck is with this media narrative like the war in Iraq started in 2007 with the Surge? What about the 2003? 2004? 2005? OIF1 doesn't even count it seems.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:56:46 -0700

Oh f*ck, she's really trying to make it off limits to discuss past stuff ups of the government... dear god, if you can't look at the past, what's the point of going forward, you won't have learned anything.

Idiot

Good on Biden for attacking the point

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:57:14 -0700

I have to go back to work I'm on an early lunch break. Barring a major fuck-up, I'm predicting this will be cast as a draw, which means that Palin will be given "winner" status as she was the major underdog.

I'd love to read her index cards, probably a hell of a study system.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:58:29 -0700

There we have it. Nation building. Yay us! We're the best because we know what's best for everyone else in this world!

By schmawy

schmawy (http://schmawy.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:59:13 -0700

If The republicans win, I'm emigrating to Dag's couch. Hope that's okay, Dag.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:01:18 -0700

Dick Luger. That's a dirty sounding name.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:01:23 -0700

Yeah Dag, the problem is the expectations of Palin were so very low going into this, that her not falling over and shivering will be seen as a win.

Biden is expected to be great at this, she isn't.

She still sucks in a huge way, but people aren't really looking at her critically, they're just looking for a really embarrassing gaff, if she doesn't make one then she'll be seen as doing a great job.... JUST BECAUSE SHE MADE IT THROUGH.

Set the bar low and be amazed that she can step over it.

So sad.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:02:46 -0700

She's wearing granny panties, too. I'm just saying. You can see the lines.

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:03:25 -0700

No. She is just holding on. She needed a huge win. She didn't bring it. That is a loss. No matter what the mainstream media says. The voters see that when she is right next to someone like Biden.

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:04:35 -0700

Didn't biden just say why he voted for the war resolution.

...

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:05:03 -0700

Hang on there Palin... vote for and then vote against... doesn't understand that?

Um...

Bridge to nowhere?

Anyone?

Anyone?

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:07:43 -0700

heart beat away... mccain pun

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:07:56 -0700

McCain knows what evil is.

He's fucking Frodo on a quest to Mordor.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:08:07 -0700

Oh my she's floundering now... faced with facts she doesn't know what to do.

Oh, I know I'll move on to talking about bullshit 'he knows how to win a war'

Such crap

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:08:35 -0700

BTW

The surge cannot work in Afghanistan, its a different set of people and environment. Furthermore where are you going to get the troops from?

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:09:21 -0700

Schwamy, you need to save a cushion for me... and my wife.

Canada anyone?

By mauz15

mauz15 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/mauz15) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:10:03 -0700

what do you expect? a team of mavericks! lmao

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:10:26 -0700

oh, I'm being so cute, I'm a Maverick, F*CK OFF.

Self calling yourselves mavericks DOES NOT MAKE IT SO!

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:11:38 -0700

They need to understand that the fighting in Afghanistan is alot like Vietnam now minus the uniformed north viet army.

In a report on army times, they had a recent attack and loss of a fire base, below a high vantage point village.

The Taliban is actually attacking from Waziristan in full on offensives, they do not wanna give up the Opium trade.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:12:13 -0700

"... and you can come with me through the McDonald's drivethru that I visit often, or you could frolic with me through the tulip fields in Idaho... Did I mention I'm an average down-to-earth guy?"

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:12:49 -0700

LOL!!! She just made a shout out. That's going to be on the Daily Show.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:13:04 -0700

"Her reward is in heaven"? F*CK OFF. RELIGION HAS NO PART IN POLITICS

F*CK OFF RELIGION FROM POLITICS

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:13:15 -0700

You get extra credit for watching this debate... Isn't that bribery.

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:15:36 -0700

What does that mean... to play us out...

To play us out... there's no words there.

Fuck it will do it live.

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:15:56 -0700

All No Child Left Behind achieved is create an industry out of test makers, Kaplan is posting year on year increases in profit. You don't go to school to learn shit now, you go to school to learn how to take a test.

By gorillaman

gorillaman (http://election08.videosift.com/member/gorillaman) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:16:16 -0700

Ha, John McCain's already tapped her.

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:16:40 -0700

Shit, cheney thinks that vice president should have power equal to the president.

and now palin does.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:16:59 -0700

She's going to further extend the power of the executive branch. That's refreshing.

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:17:53 -0700

Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we have ever had. - Biden...

Very good sir you get 5 internets.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:18:11 -0700

Thank you, Biden!!! Yay Biden! Major kudos to Biden for explaining the powers of the VP.

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:18:55 -0700

I am govenor of a huge state....

A huge empty state.

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:20:19 -0700

She is name dropping Reagan. Priceless.

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:20:55 -0700

His wife and daughter died?

Got choked up there... I like that.

If she says maverick one more time.

By jonny

jonny (http://election08.videosift.com/member/jonny) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:21:29 -0700

>> ^spoco2:
"Her reward is in heaven"? F CK OFF. RELIGION HAS NO PART IN POLITICS

F CK OFF RELIGION FROM POLITICS

Yeah, I thought that was kind of a weird back-handed compliment at first. But it is a fairly well known colloquialism for doing noble work for shit pay. Should play well with her base.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:21:50 -0700

Whoa... Biden just got misty-eyed.

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:22:39 -0700

Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, Maverick... vomit.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:23:14 -0700

Huge props to Biden for saying that he is now really well off, as apposed to McCain who said he wasn't rich.

Shows how little I know of him though... I had no idea he'd lost his wife and some kids.

By schmawy

schmawy (http://schmawy.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:23:58 -0700

My 'F5' finger is getting tired.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:24:25 -0700

And thankyou Biden for slamming the Maverick title

By jonny

jonny (http://election08.videosift.com/member/jonny) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:25:29 -0700

>> ^Farhad2000:
She is name dropping Reagan. Priceless.

She did it before, but so did Biden. Big deal. Most Americans still think he was one of the greatest presidents of US for ending the cold war.

>> ^NordlichReiter:
His wife and daughter died?

His first wife and a daughter from that marriage died in a car accident. His son survived the accident I think.

[edit] I wasn't watching at that point. Apparently two sons survived, leaving him a single parent with two young boys.

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:25:47 -0700

4chan is having a ball with this.

/b/tards out there?

By swampgirl

swampgirl (http://swampgirl.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:25:56 -0700

Maverick Maverick MAVERICKKKKK!!!! Please don't say it again. LOL I want a word count on how many times we had to hear that term.

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:27:24 -0700

'Up there in Alaska'

Please, fuck of with the whole 'good, simple folk' bullshit

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:28:20 -0700

Arnold Voice "You Lack Discipline"

By swampgirl

swampgirl (http://swampgirl.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:28:37 -0700

She's a bumper sticker generator

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:29:21 -0700

Track record... what the hell is it with them and their slogans...

DRILL BABY DRILL

By blankfist

blankfist (http://blankfist.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:32:26 -0700

Someone should ____ some sense into Palin. You fill in the blank anyway you wish.

By NordlichReiter

NordlichReiter (http://election08.videosift.com/member/NordlichReiter) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:33:43 -0700

/\ Thank you blankfisht... should ass gravee some sense....

By spoco2

spoco2 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/spoco2) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:35:51 -0700

>> ^blankfist:
Someone should ____ some sense into Palin. You fill in the blank anyway you wish.

"slowly ease, using oil from a multinational conglomerate as a lubricant," ?

By shuac

shuac (http://election08.videosift.com/member/shuac) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:36:24 -0700

I really hate to say it but this is a fucking disaster. Palin, while not pitch-perfect, performed well enough to keep the GOP alive on Nov 4. Can someone please tell me I'm wrong?

By swampgirl

swampgirl (http://swampgirl.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:36:41 -0700

She stuck to her script soooo damned hard. Biden just knew what to say w/o note cards. He pulled his punches imo

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:40:49 -0700

Biden KOed Palin.

Still all Americans deserve a hug, because to have someone like her up there running for the office of VP is just tragic.

I think her wavering performance just pushed alot of people into the Obama camp.

By swampgirl

swampgirl (http://swampgirl.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:41:07 -0700

CNN is giving her good reviews. Surprising.

By mauz15

mauz15 (http://election08.videosift.com/member/mauz15) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:51:06 -0700

http://mediacurves.com/

Dont know how reliable the site is but meh

By kronosposeidon

kronosposeidon (http://election08.videosift.com/member/kronosposeidon) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:03:26 -0700

I just had sex. With a WOMAN! Thought you all would like to know that.

By Fjnbk

Fjnbk (http://election08.videosift.com/member/Fjnbk) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:04:34 -0700

WTF happened with Palin's digression into education? Did she even hear the original question? God, she makes me want to puke on my keyboard.

By jonny

jonny (http://election08.videosift.com/member/jonny) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:04:37 -0700

farhad - I think you may have reverse beer goggles on. You're assuming that the average voter in the US is more concerned with Biden's command of facts and issues versus Palin's hockey mom charm. No doubt Biden kicked her ass on substantive points, but she often was able to successfully retort with bumper sticker slogans (thanks SG - that's a great line - hmmm, BSG 9000?).

shuac, I think if you look at the replay, she fumbled at least a couple of times, but tended to recover. So, unless you think it's a disaster that she didn't implode, then I give advantage to Biden. But not a big one.

I think the big question for Palin is can she now go out on the campaign trail and keep this up. It was the same question after her acceptance speech, for which she was also heavily coached. She failed to impress already on her own, and I think she will again if they let her.

By jonny

jonny (http://election08.videosift.com/member/jonny) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:10:16 -0700

Dodgers 6, Cubs 0. woo hooo!
oops, wrong thread.
[edit]woot! Dodgers 10, Cubs 3 - series 2 - 0 heading back to L.A.!

By my15minutes

my15minutes (http://election08.videosift.com/member/my15minutes) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:11:16 -0700

>> ^kronosposeidon:
I just had sex. With a WOMAN! Thought you all would like to know that.

* lies

By BillOreilly

BillOreilly (http://election08.videosift.com/member/BillOreilly) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:30:13 -0700

I'm not reading all the above liberal crap, just thought I's throw my 2 cents in after watching it.

Bullcrap on both sides, no real substance, Biden dodged everything thrown at him (Hussein Obama's war voting record, his spending plans, etc...), and Miss Palin looked ravishing, but not perfectly prepared, although that was expected.

I'd give the debate a C-, Biden a D, and Miss Palin a B-

By Farhad2000

Farhad2000 (http://farhad.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:31:06 -0700

>> ^jonny:
farhad - I think you may have reverse beer goggles on. You're assuming that the average voter in the US is more concerned with Biden's command of facts and issues versus Palin's hockey mom charm. No doubt Biden kicked her ass on substantive points, but she often was able to successfully retort with bumper sticker slogans (thanks SG - that's a great line - hmmm, BSG 9000?).

Oh yea I forgot. Most Americans are simpletons and pick their heads of state based on whether or not they would like to have a beer with them.

By swampgirl

swampgirl (http://swampgirl.videosift.com) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 20:47:33 -0700

There ya go again Joe.....

By rougy

rougy (http://election08.videosift.com/member/rougy) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:10:07 -0700

Palin did much better than I thought she would, but she was predictable with the talking points and slid into her "cutsie" routine a few times.

Biden should have mopped the floor with her, but didn't.

There were a lot of things he could have thrown at her

1) Why her husband was a member of a secessionist group?
2) Why is New Orleans still messed up and at risk THREE years after Katrina?
3) If Palin is all about change, he should have asked her what specifically she disagreed with in the Bush/Cheney administration, and when did she or McCain voice that disagreement?
4) Why does she want even more power for the VP office than exists now?

And a long list of other things.

Palin got off easy, and Biden was too verbose.

By my15minutes

my15minutes (http://election08.videosift.com/member/my15minutes) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:58:57 -0700

>> ^BillOreilly:
> Miss Palin looked ravishing, but not perfectly prepared, although that was expected.

is she anything but an inflatable fuckdoll to you?

every single time you describe her, you start with her appearance.

and she's married, btw. so it's Mrs or Gov Palin, that you shouldn't be coveting.

By joedirt

joedirt (http://election08.videosift.com/member/joedirt) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:00:57 -0700

Democrats are born losers. They can't win inspite of themselves.

They take the most moronic and incompetent pro-Rape-babies, moose hunting, wolf killer.. And turn her into a pariah and raise the bar SOOOOO low by being disrespectful and taking the mouth-breathing republithug route on attacking her. They lowered the bar so low she doesn't even have to be able to talk in coherent sentences to appear to be successful.

NuuuUUcuuulear. Great we have another halfwit governor from an oil rich state with complete lack of curiosity about the world soon to be the next president. Bravo Democrats. You might as well replace Biden with Lieberman at this point.

By jonny

jonny (http://election08.videosift.com/member/jonny) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:20:05 -0700

Agreed rougy - I thought Biden let her off easy on too many points. The coaching on his side must have believed the BS about him looking like a bully or sexist if he really went after her.

>> ^Farhad2000:
>> ^jonny:
farhad - I think you may have reverse beer goggles on. You're assuming that the average voter in the US is more concerned with Biden's command of facts and issues versus Palin's hockey mom charm. No doubt Biden kicked her ass on substantive points, but she often was able to successfully retort with bumper sticker slogans (thanks SG - that's a great line - hmmm, BSG 9000?).

Oh yea I forgot. Most Americans are simpletons and pick their heads of state based on whether or not they would like to have a beer with them.

I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. No, most Americans are not simpletons, and they also know that no one has all the answers. That's why it is easier to lead them towards a "straight-talker" instead of a policy wonk. When someone comes off as a know-it-all, it doesn't ring true, because everyone knows better. Individually, they may not have any coherent response to a particular issue, but anyone that comes across as "I know all about this stuff better than you" is viewed with great suspicion. Look at GWB's first presidential campaign. Or Reagan versus Carter.

And that goes back to rougy's point about Biden not clobbering her when he could have. He would have come off as "Mr. Smarty-pants", and she would have been the darling with good sense and decent values.

By jonny

jonny (http://election08.videosift.com/member/jonny) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:34:24 -0700

>> ^joedirt:
They take the most moronic and incompetent pro-Rape-babies, moose hunting, wolf killer.. And turn her into a pariah and raise the bar SOOOOO low by being disrespectful and taking the mouth-breathing republithug route on attacking her. They lowered the bar so low she doesn't even have to be able to talk in coherent sentences to appear to be successful.

wow - and I thought I was the resident cynic.

By Kreegath

Kreegath (http://election08.videosift.com/member/Kreegath) — Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:55:29 -0700

Biden did mop the floor with her, overwhelmingly outclassing her on every single issue and did it without regressing into pettyness, mudflinging and personal attacks. He mopped the floor with her by completely talking over her and instead debating McCain, while miss Palin desperately delivered a highschool debate preformance with wide generalized statements and no-substance talking points.
Her blatant ignoring of her weakness question was just pathetic.

By dag

dag (http://dag.videosift.com) — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:09:03 -0700

*unsticky. This was a nice discussion.

By siftbot

siftbot (http://siftbot.videosift.com) — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:09:04 -0700

Unstickying this post from the top of Sift Talk - unsticky requested by dag.

By rougy

rougy (http://election08.videosift.com/member/rougy) — Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:17:05 -0700

I don't think it was a decisive win for Biden. Hate to say it, but that's what I saw.

That was the first round of a one-round prize fight and the rookie left the ring standing.

By Kreegath

Kreegath (http://election08.videosift.com/member/Kreegath) — Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:06:56 -0700

By what standard did she leave the ring standing? What could Biden possibly have done to have change that opinion, go over and physically knock her down? Barring unreasonable expectations on what should've happened, he did the best job that he practically could, while Palin did a terrible job gosh darnit *wink*
This was supposed to have been a political debate, and in that regard biden outclassed her by leaps and bounds. It was a no-brainer who had the the more knowledge, experience and better political instinct, just like it was completely obvious who would make the better vice president. Not only that, but Biden did an amazing job in selling the democratic viewpoint while Palin completely missed her chances to give a coherent and correct republican view.